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You Want My Opinion, "Abuse Team"? Here's My Opinion.... [Aug. 15th, 2006|06:53 pm]
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"LiveJournal is committed to the ideal of free speech, as long as that does not include content which invades the privacy of others. For this reason, we would like to explain our policies before we take any action.

"It is a violation of the Terms of Service to post content which is invasive to another person's privacy, such as a full name or email address. However, it is not against the Terms of Service to post negative opinions about other users. LiveJournal is committed to preserving as much free speech as possible for its users."

-- from the boilerplate text the LJ "Abuse Team" uses over and over and over again as justification for its allowing all manner of bullying, viciousness, libel, racism, creedism, sexism, hatred, venality, and generalized evil to appear in LiveJournal pages.

Okay, I have some some "negative opinions". First off, evidence suggests that LJ Support and LJ Abuse are corrupted by friendships with members of the open-sewer passing for a community I refer to occasionally as "dot_vicious_abuse", and similar communities related to it -- members of "d_v_a" have bragged about their connections with Support on multiple occasions, daring their victims to file TOS grievances, laughing about their immunity.

It is clear to my view that this corruption extends all the way to the heads of the abuse and support departments: rahaeli a.k.a. denisep a.k.a. synecdochic, and markf a.k.a. ferrell.

You heard me, I think they're willingly corrupt. That's my negative opinion based on the evidence I've seen.

During the recent Nipplegate Affair, rahaeli had a default icon of a painting clearly showing female nipples outlined under a wisp of cloth. When complaints were made to LJ Abuse, complainants were told that Abuse couldn't see any nipples or representations of nipples. (She only changed it from her default icon under pressure after the hypocrisy became too well known, and still has it as a non-default icon.) Make your own judgement here, the icon in question is under the keywords "only way to beat it is to bat it down".

In the meantime, the "Abuse Team" (who no doubt yell "Go Team Abuse!" at meetings like The Venture Bros. yell "Go Team Venture!") has spent hundreds of person-hours harassing nursing mothers about default icons with a pixel or two of areola showing outside a nursing baby's lips, while (to cite just three of many examples) man_juice has a default icon of a naked male viewed from the front, penis exposed, get_naked has an animated default icon showing photographed couples in a variety of positions representing sexual intercourse with fully exposed female nipples, and couplefucking have an insertion shot for a default icon. The ever-so-vigilant "Abuse Team" hasn't seen it's way to object to any of these.

LiveJournal has White Power and Nazi communities, some of them only a single jerk maintainer and a couple of buddies, some of them with dozens or hundreds of members, where the plans of "what we'll do to them when we take over" are openly discussed. LJ Abuse is okay with these.

LiveJournal has "childfree" communities where mothers are enthusiastically disparaged as "moos" and children are considered "sprogs" or "crotchdroppings". LJ Abuse is okay with these.

LiveJournal has fundamentalist Christian communities where the Burning in Hellfire of everyone who isn't them is regarded joyously, where the plans of "what we'll do to them when we take over" are openly discussed. LJ Abuse is okay with these.

LiveJournal has communities where teen-aged girls suffering the disease of anoxeria urge each other on in their effort to starve themselves to death. LJ Abuse is okay with these.

(And related to this, six times I saw suicide announcements in the depression community. Six times I reported them to LJ Abuse/Support for possible intervention. Six times, LJ Abuse/Support workers had private information available to them about these members which could have been used to contact relatives or local authorities to prevent these suicide attempts and chose, deliberately, to do nothing. Did they die? I don't know, but if they did, LJ Abuse/Support apparently was okay with their deaths.

(I've given up reading the depression community. Perhaps LJ Abuse/Support people get off on seeing sick people announcing their imminent, self-inflicted deaths. I don't.)

I have not the words to strongly enough voice my contempt and disgust with the men and women of LJ Support and LJ Abuse. They appear from their actions to be among the most emotionally stunted, venally corrupt, unfeeling sociopaths it has ever been my displeasure to encounter.

This is what your money supports, paid members who are reading this. This is what the advertising revenue supports, Sponsored Plus members who are reading this. Are a few extra User Icons worth it?

P. S.: If my journal is suddenly suspended, well, speaking truth to power always has risks, but as a philosopher of my youth put it, "I've had all I can stands, and I can't stands no more!"

P. P. S.: Also see this article: http://davidkevin.livejournal.com/216377.html.

[User Picture]From: rly
2006-08-18 05:30 pm (UTC)
You say all these things as if you are surprised about them.
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[User Picture]From: davidkevin
2006-08-18 05:44 pm (UTC)

I originally wrote it for my own journal, and many of the people on my Friend-list have never had to put with "Abuse Team" abuse, so it's written as new information, which for them it is.

I debated for a couple of days before posting it here, as it's old news for anyone who has belonged to this community for any length of time, but I finally decided I wanted it in the record here in the event of a later "disappearance" of my journal.

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[User Picture]From: rly
2006-08-18 05:45 pm (UTC)
But if your account is suspended, this post will disappear.
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[User Picture]From: squnq
2006-08-18 05:32 pm (UTC)


what the hell are you talking about
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[User Picture]From: smashingstars
2006-08-18 06:08 pm (UTC)
You're confusing two issues here. Free speech includes people expressing views that you don't like. I'm childfree but I don't belong to the cf comms, and I'm inclined to agree with you about some of the comments made on cf groups, but I'll be damned if I consider their groups to be something LJ should ban. Besides, it sounds like you think being childfree is wrong and you're more upset about THAT than any "hate speech" you claim. (I can't speak for the other comms you mention, I haven't been to them.)

Seriously, I can't believe you think "sprog" is so offensive. And I don't know what White Power or childfree groups have to do with the exposed nipple icon situation. It's two different issues and you're mixing them up to prove your point.

Do you have examples of those 6 times LJ Support deliberately didn't contact authorities in the cases of death threats? Because you're just asking us to take your word, and your word is clearly biased.

All that said, I have a particular dislike for Abuse. They allow themselves to get used by people who know how to work the system -- people file false DMCA complaints against users they don't like and Abuse automatically takes the side of the complaintant. I'm reasonably sure that LJ has been told by lawyers that this practice is what they should do to avoid copyright infringement lawsuits, but it's ridiculous and out of hand. The Abuse guideline page has rules on it which Abuse apparently doesn't follow or even read. Plus, a volunteer, slacker Abuse staff can't handle the volume of complaints and sometimes people (like me) get suspended with the excuse that Abuse was "too busy" to review my emails and answer my questions.

Ultimately, though, what can you do? Honestly, it's LJ's site and if they want to play things this way there's nothing we can do about it but leave and go elsewhere.
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[User Picture]From: cdaae
2006-08-18 06:59 pm (UTC)
Ultimately, though, what can you do? Honestly, it's LJ's site and if they want to play things this way there's nothing we can do about it but leave and go elsewhere.

Or keep on complaining.
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From: hexxenn
2006-08-18 07:41 pm (UTC)
Dude, it's LiveJournal. It's run by a bunch of egotistical kids with little or no oversight from a VC-funded company that acquired it for the sole purpose of plundering its features for their own products. Oh, and slapping up some Google ads so they might make a few bucks.

If you don't like LJ, pack up and move elsewhere. I did. Most people have already moved to MySpace and shit like that anyway. I don't like MySpace, and if you don't either, there's always Blogger (which is much better lately, btw) or WordPress (also good, especially if you host it yourself).

LJ's heyday is long over, and it's time to get the fuck out.
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[User Picture]From: mengus
2006-08-18 08:56 pm (UTC)
It think it's kind of a stretch to say there's a nipple visible in the rahaeli icon, and moreover a false analogy to compare a comic book still to an actual picture of a livejournal user breastfeeding.

But other than that, people have bitched about the hate communities for time immemorium, and have gotten nowhere.

And the bit about reporting possible suicide attempts that fall on deaf ears, if Six Apart assumes responsibility for something like that, then they set precedence for possible liability in the future; and how do you see every single post that might infer, imply or allude to suicide when you have nearly 11,000,000 accounts?

Why is LiveJournal's responsibility to policy these things?

And, uh, it's pretty evident that favoritism plays a big part in suspensions.

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[User Picture]From: mengus
2006-08-18 08:57 pm (UTC)
*policy = police
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[User Picture]From: evil_genius
2006-08-18 11:17 pm (UTC)
I'm thinking you should cross post this to a myspace account.
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[User Picture]From: yellowest_finch
2006-08-19 02:01 am (UTC)
Your heart is in the right place, but this post is shit. It's vague and doesn't give specific examples and sounds like just another emo rant. Sry.
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From: maniaclove
2006-08-19 02:59 am (UTC)
I don't belong to any CF communties, but sounds like you just have an axe to grind.
I don't think Childfree and Nazi equate AT ALL.

Besides some kids are sprogs, and crotchdroppings. (the term "Fuck-Trophy" has always been my favorite.) Some kids are just bad, and some parents just don't [parent]. I've never heard talk like this is childfree, but childfree_hc is anotyher story, and that community is made for ranting.

Not to mention it's a stretch to day there is nipple in the icon. There are breasts, but you can't really say they gave her any nip detail.
Besides I think there is a different between a semi-detailed drawing and real, actual breasts.
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[User Picture]From: amishpornstar
2006-09-30 09:09 pm (UTC)
can i link this on my live journal?
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[User Picture]From: davidkevin
2006-10-01 06:10 am (UTC)

I've always thought that any public page on the web could be linked from anywhere else as a matter of course -- that's the nature of it, and you don't need to ask any more than it's currently necessary to ask a father for his daughter's hand in marriage. By all means, go ahead.

Regardless, the courtesy behind the request is appreciated. Thank you.

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[User Picture]From: dookiedragon
2006-12-12 11:43 pm (UTC)
Oh yes. And don't forget about childlove, the pro-pedo community.
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[User Picture]From: revvoice
2006-12-14 05:56 pm (UTC)
The David Mack piece HAS no nipple in it... wow, way to twist for your own use.
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[User Picture]From: davidkevin
2006-12-15 02:45 am (UTC)

Yes, he said patiently, it does. I suggest you look more closely. I twisted nothing.

(I wasn't even the first person to note it.)
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From: (Anonymous)
2007-04-13 11:31 am (UTC)
Awwww, poor widdle breeder duh. It offends you that attention-whoring HipMoos can't have their saggy dugs in their primary icons, and that us mean ol' childfree'rs don't bow and worship the ground that Moooooooomies and their sprogs walk on.
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From: (Anonymous)
2007-04-13 11:32 am (UTC)
Awwww, poor widdle breeder duh. It offends you that attention-whoring HipMoos can't have their saggy dugs in their primary icons, and that us mean ol' childfree'rs don't bow and worship the ground that Moooooooomies and their sprogs walk on.

Incidentally, "sprog" is an established British slang term, the equivalent of the American "kid" — which itself means a young goat. I'd think that "kid" would be more offensive. Oh, wait, breeders are the ultimate arbiter of what constitutes "offensiveness" when it comes to their crotchdroppings.

Let me guess, you're the type who lets your spawn scream, run around, and throw food in restaurants, and when you get dirty looks, you fume about all the "child-haters" in the world.
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[User Picture]From: davidkevin
2007-04-14 04:24 am (UTC)

My children are well-mannered enough to not cowardly send obscene letters from behind a curtain of anonymity.

Obviously your mother and father didn't raise you properly.
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[User Picture]From: ms_daisy_cutter
2007-04-14 04:33 pm (UTC)
That was me. I wasn't able to log in yesterday. So much for "cowardice."

"Obscene letters"? Get real. Oh, wait, you're a duhhhhhhdie, and "obscene" is "anything that doesn't sufficiently worship me for having a functional dick, or my wife for having afunctional uterus, or our cheeeldrunnnnn for being cheeeldrunnnnn."

I hate LJA, but I'm glad they put the attention-whoring HipMoos in their place. Why the fuck is a bare breast "obscene" unless it's got a titleech hanging off it? Oh, wait, that's 'cuz most Americans are fucking prudes. And probably because the HipMoos resent the existence of women who can't tie their tatas in a knot.

As for CFers being "hateful"...equating "moo" and "crotchdropping" with racial slurs? Please. The words are used to describe people with certain presonality traits. The fact that some people use them to describe respectively all mothers and all kids doesn't change that. In any case, I've seen seen plenty of hate directed at US by parents breeders with your mentality.

GMAFB as well when it comes to comparing disliking children to disliking people of other races. Children eventually become grownups (well, in most cases). It's also legal to "discriminate" against children in a variety of situations that do not permit same against people of other races — for example, who gets let into movies with certain ratings.

As was stated above, "Free speech includes people expressing views that you don't like." Deal with it. It's not your place to decide what other people should or should not say because it offends you or your pwessshussss cheeeldrunnnnnnn.
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[User Picture]From: sharkysmachine
2007-06-03 08:15 pm (UTC)
This is such a poorly articulately post are you sure you don't have "crotch-droppings"?
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[User Picture]From: ms_daisy_cutter
2007-06-21 07:13 pm (UTC)
This from someone who runs two sentences together and uses "articulately" as an adjective. Pot, kettle...
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From: rasputynne
2007-06-21 03:53 am (UTC)
are you schizophrenic?
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[User Picture]From: ms_daisy_cutter
2007-06-21 07:12 pm (UTC)
Are you "developmentally disabled"?
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